Fisk TOM: Mubarak's regime is gone and stayed
Is one of the world press lords, the Registry is free and bold, belongs to one of the oldest schools in the world press, "British School" .. Write to the dictates of his conscience professional, led by his sense of press to be at the site of the event in a timely manner .. It is Robert Fisk, The Independent newspaper columnist British .. Witnessed over more than 34 years all of the events in the Arab region since the submission of the reporters, in the prestigious Times in 1976, and even now still lives in the Lebanese capital Beirut, which may be used as a basis for monitoring events in the region.
One of the first foreign journalists who arrived at the Mother of the World to pursue a flurry of anger of the people that turned into a popular revolution against the regime, led to abandon the former President Hosni Mubarak's ruling of the Supreme Council of the armed forces, but did not lead to the departure of the system, says Fisk and illustrated in following dialogue with the "TOM".
What led to the revolution of Egyptians?
I think that led to the Revolution of the Egyptians was the maturity of young people who were children when I came to Egypt for the first time in more than 34 years old, during the rule of President Sadat, these young people - 30% of the population under twenty - opened up the world through modern technology and the Web sites and global networking such as Facebook and Twitter, and saw the world around them, and discovered that the systems that govern them working on the humiliation and oppression, and tyrannize them, and this oppression and tyranny was present also in the days of Nasser and Sadat.
Another thing Akeshvh young people is that their governments work on the export of all that is fake their policies and elections, education, health and journalism, in addition to being gagged, where an estimated one to oppose the president or his regime, and do so to be arrested, beaten and tortured in police stations and security stations State. As well as the system he does not want to see the young well-educated.
And how to please all of this on the surface of a sudden?
As I said, the maturity of these young people and discovered that their governments issue them with poverty, despotism, tyranny is not only economic, but also educational, health and tyranny in all other aspects of life .. This is not present in Egypt, but also exists in Algeria, Yemen, Jordan and all countries of the Middle East .. Another thing is that they removed the fear from their hearts, what fear returned once again, something that the Lebanese people do in their war with Israel in 1982.
Do you went to Tahrir Square, and what I saw there?
Of course I went to the "Republic of liberation", and I saw people who are there and welcomed me and all who come to them, "hello your in Egypt," and offer him food and drink, not waiting for money "tip", also noted the absence of harassment of girls did not hear any words out, Contrary to what was happening in the past, of physical and verbal harassment, has already seen a change in Egypt.
Why do you think the field of editing?
Egyptians look at Tahrir Square, a symbol, Fallam British occupation when it was called the field of Ismailia, was banned on the Egyptians to enter, and after the revolution of July 1952, changed his name to "Al-Tahrir Square," and I think that young people hold fast to Him because most state institutions by, where There is the People's Assembly and Shura Council, the Council of Ministers and a number of ministries at the head of the Ministry of the Interior, and some foreign embassies near the top American and British embassies.
What about the U.S. role?
At the outset let us say that President Mubarak's regime did not leave Mubarak alone is gone, and the proof is that of the heads of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, who runs the affairs of the country is Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi - which is a close friend of Mubarak - and Secretary of Defense for 19 years in the era of Mubarak, and Prime Minister Ahmed Shafiq, who are predominantly ministers belonging to the Mubarak regime as well.
As for, the United States to understand first is to maintain the security of Israel, and as such sought to ensure Egypt's commitment to the peace treaty, and the establishment of a satellite state of Israel, something which was confirmed by the army by announcing their commitment to all international obligations and commitments, first and foremost, of course, the Camp David peace accord with Israel, even though the protesters did not mention Israel from near or from afar, and the United States require the security of Israel and peace with it, and then you can work democracy of your choice, the same applies to the European countries.
How do you see the Egyptian revolution now?
I see that as a result of what he did to people, pour in the interest of the army on the opposite of what he wanted people who did not arise for the military, who took power, but for the people, and I think that evolution is the great revolution, went without leadership, and the danger now is that the army will remain in power I think that is listening to people do not like ElBaradei, the elites and Amr, Ayman Nour and others, these are good but you must listen to the voice of the people.
What about political parties and the Muslim Brotherhood and its role in the revolution?
I think that the opposition political parties had no role in the revolution, though some of them was a little bit, and I think Anham did not learn how to establish a political party of Englishmen who tried to teach Egyptians how to organize political life, and the various parties by the re-establish themselves again and address the people in the street and listen to their voice and not sound the same party, on the contrary Brotherhood speak to people in the street but subtle ways, and I think that the rebels need a new party revolution Russian produced the Communist Party and the Algerian produced an Islamic party, and I think that he must go back and study my contract twenties and thirties of the last century during the struggle for independence from British occupation, the study of people like Saad Zaghloul, who was a man of genius.
For me, Saad Zaghloul is the hero-Masri, who impressed, not Mubarak or Sadat or Nasser - I do not share the Egyptians in their love for Nasser - who was a dictator as well, despite people love him, Vzglul was calling for democratic reforms and freedom of expression, and you Egyptians need to the democratic voice of the free.
What you need Egypt after the revolution and the departure of Mubarak?
I think that Egypt needs to institutions free of corruption, free and fair elections reflect the true will of the people, as well as new leaders of all the institutions and sectors, flying around currently belong to the Mubarak regime, Egypt needs to lead not follow the United States. We must move away from the users of the Mubarak regime aside from politicians, journalists and businessmen who were cheering "I love you, Hosni Mubarak," and now they say "I love my revolution." Egypt needs and observers from the European Union on the elections, so they organized not be like before, and again Knowing study their twenties and thirties and Saad Zaghloul.
After the departure of Ben Ali and Mubarak .. On the role of?
That there is no secure theory "Lderminoz" This, in Algeria, Yemen, Jordan and Libya, there are demonstrations calling for constitutional and political reform, it is clear that there is social cohesion among the Arab peoples, and I think that people in Tunisia and Egypt will probably not face the same fate in Yemen, for example all the people have " Kalashnikov "and weapons, if the revolution occurred in Yemen, there will be something like a dairy community, and the same thing where there is the Algerian people against Bouteflika, the army fought for the people for a period of 20 years is a long period, it will stand with Bouteflika, unlike the Egyptian army which stood on the sidelines in the end side of the people, and for Libya Gaddafi "Crazy", has ruled since more than 40 years - and Mubarak crazy also, but Ali Abdullah Saleh is not crazy - I think that the revolution that we have here is more like the Iranian revolution in 2009, after the presidential election, not that takes Khomeini in 1979.
It remains to point out that Fisk speaking on the sidelines of the dialogue about Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei, former director of the International Agency for Atomic Energy, and the leader of the National Assembly to change, he said, "He's a very good, but I think it does not have popular in many areas in Egypt, such as level", as well as Secretary-General of the League of Arab States and said he was "a nice man, but his affiliation to the Mubarak regime, and support for the survival of Mubarak to five months in the beginning and this was a big mistake, hamstrung by a lot," Dr Ayman Nour, leader of the Ghad Party, who announced his bid to run the next presidency said of him, "Ayman Nur I love him, a good man and brave, but I do not think it is a popular candidate. "
Is one of the world press lords, the Registry is free and bold, belongs to one of the oldest schools in the world press, "British School" .. Write to the dictates of his conscience professional, led by his sense of press to be at the site of the event in a timely manner .. It is Robert Fisk, The Independent newspaper columnist British .. Witnessed over more than 34 years all of the events in the Arab region since the submission of the reporters, in the prestigious Times in 1976, and even now still lives in the Lebanese capital Beirut, which may be used as a basis for monitoring events in the region.
One of the first foreign journalists who arrived at the Mother of the World to pursue a flurry of anger of the people that turned into a popular revolution against the regime, led to abandon the former President Hosni Mubarak's ruling of the Supreme Council of the armed forces, but did not lead to the departure of the system, says Fisk and illustrated in following dialogue with the "TOM".
What led to the revolution of Egyptians?
I think that led to the Revolution of the Egyptians was the maturity of young people who were children when I came to Egypt for the first time in more than 34 years old, during the rule of President Sadat, these young people - 30% of the population under twenty - opened up the world through modern technology and the Web sites and global networking such as Facebook and Twitter, and saw the world around them, and discovered that the systems that govern them working on the humiliation and oppression, and tyrannize them, and this oppression and tyranny was present also in the days of Nasser and Sadat.
Another thing Akeshvh young people is that their governments work on the export of all that is fake their policies and elections, education, health and journalism, in addition to being gagged, where an estimated one to oppose the president or his regime, and do so to be arrested, beaten and tortured in police stations and security stations State. As well as the system he does not want to see the young well-educated.
And how to please all of this on the surface of a sudden?
As I said, the maturity of these young people and discovered that their governments issue them with poverty, despotism, tyranny is not only economic, but also educational, health and tyranny in all other aspects of life .. This is not present in Egypt, but also exists in Algeria, Yemen, Jordan and all countries of the Middle East .. Another thing is that they removed the fear from their hearts, what fear returned once again, something that the Lebanese people do in their war with Israel in 1982.
Do you went to Tahrir Square, and what I saw there?
Of course I went to the "Republic of liberation", and I saw people who are there and welcomed me and all who come to them, "hello your in Egypt," and offer him food and drink, not waiting for money "tip", also noted the absence of harassment of girls did not hear any words out, Contrary to what was happening in the past, of physical and verbal harassment, has already seen a change in Egypt.
Why do you think the field of editing?
Egyptians look at Tahrir Square, a symbol, Fallam British occupation when it was called the field of Ismailia, was banned on the Egyptians to enter, and after the revolution of July 1952, changed his name to "Al-Tahrir Square," and I think that young people hold fast to Him because most state institutions by, where There is the People's Assembly and Shura Council, the Council of Ministers and a number of ministries at the head of the Ministry of the Interior, and some foreign embassies near the top American and British embassies.
What about the U.S. role?
At the outset let us say that President Mubarak's regime did not leave Mubarak alone is gone, and the proof is that of the heads of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, who runs the affairs of the country is Field Marshal Hussein Tantawi - which is a close friend of Mubarak - and Secretary of Defense for 19 years in the era of Mubarak, and Prime Minister Ahmed Shafiq, who are predominantly ministers belonging to the Mubarak regime as well.
As for, the United States to understand first is to maintain the security of Israel, and as such sought to ensure Egypt's commitment to the peace treaty, and the establishment of a satellite state of Israel, something which was confirmed by the army by announcing their commitment to all international obligations and commitments, first and foremost, of course, the Camp David peace accord with Israel, even though the protesters did not mention Israel from near or from afar, and the United States require the security of Israel and peace with it, and then you can work democracy of your choice, the same applies to the European countries.
How do you see the Egyptian revolution now?
I see that as a result of what he did to people, pour in the interest of the army on the opposite of what he wanted people who did not arise for the military, who took power, but for the people, and I think that evolution is the great revolution, went without leadership, and the danger now is that the army will remain in power I think that is listening to people do not like ElBaradei, the elites and Amr, Ayman Nour and others, these are good but you must listen to the voice of the people.
What about political parties and the Muslim Brotherhood and its role in the revolution?
I think that the opposition political parties had no role in the revolution, though some of them was a little bit, and I think Anham did not learn how to establish a political party of Englishmen who tried to teach Egyptians how to organize political life, and the various parties by the re-establish themselves again and address the people in the street and listen to their voice and not sound the same party, on the contrary Brotherhood speak to people in the street but subtle ways, and I think that the rebels need a new party revolution Russian produced the Communist Party and the Algerian produced an Islamic party, and I think that he must go back and study my contract twenties and thirties of the last century during the struggle for independence from British occupation, the study of people like Saad Zaghloul, who was a man of genius.
For me, Saad Zaghloul is the hero-Masri, who impressed, not Mubarak or Sadat or Nasser - I do not share the Egyptians in their love for Nasser - who was a dictator as well, despite people love him, Vzglul was calling for democratic reforms and freedom of expression, and you Egyptians need to the democratic voice of the free.
What you need Egypt after the revolution and the departure of Mubarak?
I think that Egypt needs to institutions free of corruption, free and fair elections reflect the true will of the people, as well as new leaders of all the institutions and sectors, flying around currently belong to the Mubarak regime, Egypt needs to lead not follow the United States. We must move away from the users of the Mubarak regime aside from politicians, journalists and businessmen who were cheering "I love you, Hosni Mubarak," and now they say "I love my revolution." Egypt needs and observers from the European Union on the elections, so they organized not be like before, and again Knowing study their twenties and thirties and Saad Zaghloul.
After the departure of Ben Ali and Mubarak .. On the role of?
That there is no secure theory "Lderminoz" This, in Algeria, Yemen, Jordan and Libya, there are demonstrations calling for constitutional and political reform, it is clear that there is social cohesion among the Arab peoples, and I think that people in Tunisia and Egypt will probably not face the same fate in Yemen, for example all the people have " Kalashnikov "and weapons, if the revolution occurred in Yemen, there will be something like a dairy community, and the same thing where there is the Algerian people against Bouteflika, the army fought for the people for a period of 20 years is a long period, it will stand with Bouteflika, unlike the Egyptian army which stood on the sidelines in the end side of the people, and for Libya Gaddafi "Crazy", has ruled since more than 40 years - and Mubarak crazy also, but Ali Abdullah Saleh is not crazy - I think that the revolution that we have here is more like the Iranian revolution in 2009, after the presidential election, not that takes Khomeini in 1979.
It remains to point out that Fisk speaking on the sidelines of the dialogue about Dr. Mohamed ElBaradei, former director of the International Agency for Atomic Energy, and the leader of the National Assembly to change, he said, "He's a very good, but I think it does not have popular in many areas in Egypt, such as level", as well as Secretary-General of the League of Arab States and said he was "a nice man, but his affiliation to the Mubarak regime, and support for the survival of Mubarak to five months in the beginning and this was a big mistake, hamstrung by a lot," Dr Ayman Nour, leader of the Ghad Party, who announced his bid to run the next presidency said of him, "Ayman Nur I love him, a good man and brave, but I do not think it is a popular candidate. "
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